I have been in theological training now for half a term of the two years. I have enjoyed the company of my fellow trainees immensely and am sure I have made long term friendships; I have enjoyed our teaching sessions and residentials; I have valued the worship sessions; I have read some challenging and interesting theology and I have written two essays. Monday, 29 October 2007
A time for review
I have been in theological training now for half a term of the two years. I have enjoyed the company of my fellow trainees immensely and am sure I have made long term friendships; I have enjoyed our teaching sessions and residentials; I have valued the worship sessions; I have read some challenging and interesting theology and I have written two essays. Sunday, 28 October 2007
Tag: you're it, Mimi, Reverend boy and Steven

Saturday, 27 October 2007
The beardless one and the role of religious leaders in public debate
Friday, 26 October 2007
A Mentor without a dog-collar

Thursday, 25 October 2007
Another Mentor and a bit about my church

I have been preparing a study for college on my congregation. Before I was even aware that I would need to submit this study I had counted up the different nationalities represented in the congregation: these include two Poles, one Latvian, three Tanzanians, two Hungarians, one Estonian, three Germans, six Americans, one Icelander, one Cypriot, two Finns, one Namibian and one New Zealander. As far as I could tell there are possibly ten to a dozen “native” British converts.
A mini-united nations.
Wednesday, 24 October 2007
In praise of Mentors

Tuesday, 23 October 2007
Sex, curry, support groups, essays and more on Missio Dei
At college we have been advised to gather a support group around us. This was easy for me as I am lucky enough to have a group of good friends, mainly Christians, to call on although I have no intention of formalising that into a meeting.Even if Luther argues that, because of the self-giving of God we will have a spontaneous impulse to gladly do God’s will, Christians still do not find it an easy task to love neighbours purely and unselfishly. God’s love mediated through us is always imperfect.
I work in an environment where I am in regular contact with a number of the unchurched, Agnostics, Atheists, Sikhs and Muslims. There I have been described as being that which oils the wheels of social interaction, which is very affirming. Pretty well everyone knows that I am a Christian and also that I am in training for ministry. I do not initiate conversations about personal faith, but I am involved in many such conversations initiated by others partly, I guess, because I do not do glib answers and partly, I am now realising, because this is where God is at work and I am joining in with as much integrity and congruence as I can muster. It is about inviting someone to walk with you relationally and it takes a while to demonstrate this Gospel.
Friday, 19 October 2007
Words of Comfort
We have been working in the Philharmonic Chorus on a new commission by Philip Wilby entitled "The Bronte Mass" due for its world premier in the Town Hall on 24th Nov with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra.One of the passages is a musical setting of a prayer by Anne Bronte, which really struck a chord with me at rehearsal last night. I do not have a copy of the poem to hand so I am reconstructing the text from the score:
My God, O let me call thee mine, weak wretched sinner though I be.
My trembling soul would fain be thine, my feeble faith still clings to thee.
Not only for the past I grieve, the future fills me with dismay.
Unless thou hasten to relieve, I know my heart will fall away.
I cannot say, I dare not hope: my faith is strong, my love is great
but strength and love to thee belong.
Oh do not leave me desolate, I know I owe my all to thee.
Oh take the heart I cannot give, do thou my strength, my saviour be
and make me to thy glory live.
Says it all really.
And a lovely musical setting too.
Monday, 15 October 2007
Dog-collars are a dangerous provocation.......
There has been a fair bit in the British press about the dangers of being a clergyperson off duty but still in clerical shirt and collar. There have been a number of violent assaults and some murders which is obviously deeply shocking and very sad. The implication is that had these clergy been in plain clothes they wouldn't have been victims. I have never really understood this idea of never being out of uniform since I saw a priest mowing his lawn in clerical garb with added sweat stains.However, this Sunday I didn't need the car and St. Smalls being a pleasant and gentle 25 mins walk away, I decided to take the exercise. Now I am still pretty new to this clerical uniform business but I was surprised by people's reactions to me. I am very good at people watching and I do make eye contact with passers by, sometimes nod or smile and occasionally share a greeting. Not this Sunday. No-one engaged eye contact, smiled, nodded or said hello until I actually got to church.
I walked with my usual self confident semi-swagger, head up and shoulders back. O.K. no-one tried to stab me, for which I am grateful, but other than that I might have been invisible. And they say that Yorkshire folk are warm hearted.
What an odd experience.
Friday, 12 October 2007
Happy Eid...

...to Asim, Halima, Shazia, Fiz, Aashiya and all Muslim men and women of good faith.
Don't eat too much! (Asim, that means you particularly.)
About jokes...
Isn't humour an odd thing?Anyway here is a selection:
Two vicars were bemoaning the national decline in moral standards. "I never slept with my wife before I was married. How about you?" "I don't know. What was her maiden name?"
A motorist ran over a rabbit and stopped to see if the poor creature could be saved. A gentleman in a dog collar drew up behind, examined the animal and seeing that it was, indeed, dead went back to his car and returned with a small bottle of liquid which he poured on to the corpse. It immediately jumped up and ran off. "My goodness" said the motorist. "Was that Holy Water?" "No" replied the vicar. "It was hare restorer."
God decided to set Jesus and the Devil a task because he was fed up with their constant bickering. He decided in his omnipotent wisdom to give them a test based on their I.T. skills but ensured that they had loads of viruses and that their internet access kept uninstalling. In the end Satan got no marks and Jesus got an A*. Why? Because Jesus saves.
What is a guy to do?
In the pub after choir last night, with Jez and Dave and all the usual choir suspects, I told this joke. If you are of a sensitive nature look away now.
There was a woman in hospital in a deep coma and her family had all but given up hope of her recovery. One morning she was being given a flannel wash and as the nurse ventured south there was a distinct respone. A case conference was hastily called and it was decided to call the husband in. After explaining the situation to him he was told of the doctor's reccommendation: "I know this may sound odd, but we think oral sex may help." After his initial misgiving the husband decided he would give it a go. The staff retired to the nurse's station to give them privacy and watched in horror as the monitor gave three beeps and then flatlined. "Whatever happened?" asked the nurse. "I'm not really sure," said the husband " but I think she may have choked."
I hope I haven't offended anyone.
Integrity over the Armenian genocide

Thursday, 11 October 2007
About spirituality.

Wednesday, 10 October 2007
Who needs a new covenant?

Leaving aside for the moment that the creeds say nothing about human sexuality, from the earliest days of Christianity we have had a very good covenant.
It is called baptism.
Through it each of us has already bought into the creedal faith and a wider relationship with those who share these beliefs, to say nothing of our relationship with God.
Surely this is the foundation of our common identity. As St. Paul says in Galatians "For you are all children of god through faith in Christ Jesus."
Lets not have more divisive games. We must resist any calls for a new covenant.
Monday, 8 October 2007
A Typical night on the door - not!

Saturday, 6 October 2007
Counting my blessings but wondering......
Yesterday was my birthday.My actual age is a state secret.
It was a blast.
Jez sent me this card with the comment: "Who else could I send this to?"
I started the day at the training college working with the post-graduate trainee teacher cohort- all 110 of them. It couldn't have gone better: my powerpoint presentation worked well, the funny DVD clip of David Tennant and Catherine Tate went down a storm, they all laughed at my presentation in the right places, joined in the work with enthusiasm and gave me wonderfully affirming feedback. I then joined my subject specialism group of a dozen for work on delivering controversial issues and that was very rewarding. Back at school my GCSE R.E. group, aged 15/16 were their usuall feisty and funny selves but were absolutely focussed and on task as we began the difficult topic of religious attitudes to abortion.
Home in the bosom of the family and out for a celebratory meal at Viva Cuba! Lots of laughter, banter and very good food.
Since blogging I have made new friends. William Weedon sent me a piece of his own writing to support me in an assignment; I seem, as an only child, to have found an American younger brother in Reverend boy, who writes with real eloquence; Grandmere Mimi, the grand dame of blogging has been in regular contact and holds the fort on my blog when she judges I am not saying enough and when I need a laugh I can log on to Mad Priest, howl with laughter and banter with his other acolytes. (How does that man find the time?) I have discovered from Learner Priest that it is my ministry to be "a Blessing to others".
So why am I on anti-depressants and why can't I sleep at night?
Dear Dr. Laura........

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
- When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
- I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
- I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
- Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
- I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
- A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
- Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
- Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
- I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
- My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
J. Kent Ashcraft
Friday, 5 October 2007
Issues of Human Sexuality
Following my last post there has been a degree of discussion and debate about issues of human sexuality which I welcome because of the gracious and civilised nature of that discussion. Anyone is welcome to comment here providing they are committed to respectful and real listening-dialogue. Don't bother to leave a comment if you are not, because I will delete all offensive rants.This is not a one topic blog and after this post I intend to move on but I felt my response deserved a new post rather than a comment at the end of a string.
That I am theologically liberal will come as little surprise to anyone who has read this blog, but I wanted to explain how I have arrived at this position. As a straight man, fifteen years ago, I held the "orthodox" view on human sexuality. Then I found myself in the position of hearing the voices of gay and lesbian Christians and I felt I needed to find out for myself both what scripture said and what it meant.
That personal exercise changed my view and may have contributed in its way to the road I am now on.
I do not ask people to agree with my theology, but I do expect people to recognise that I am both theological and Biblical and that it is possible to use scripture properly and draw a different conclusion to received wisdom. Here are my conclusions, already posted in odds and ends elsewhere on this and other blogs.
- First of all there are the stories of Sodom and Gibeah in Genesis 19:1-25 and Judges 19:13-28. The actions described here so graphically are homosexual and heterosexual rape. Both stories are more about violent attempts to undermine ancient traditions of hospitality through guest rape than they are about same-sex relations. Except for the lone voice of Jude 7, the rest of the Bible comments on the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah as the sin of greed. Ezekiel 16:49 says, “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”
- Secondly, there are the references in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, regarded as key texts in this matter by conservative evangelicals. Leviticus is a book about what constitutes holiness. In Leviticus, holiness is not a private thing; the text makes clear that we can only be holy in a community that intends hospitality to God. The challenge in reading Leviticus (or any biblical book) is in its application to our own lives in a different context. For the writers of Leviticus, the issue was about boundary crossing. The sexual prohibitions, like those against cross-breeding cattle, sowing hybrids or sowing different crops in the same field, eating amphibians or wearing clothes made out of wool blended with other materials, are meant to observe the distinctions that God was believed to have established at creation. Holiness is then defined as staying in one’s class, and not mixing or confusing classes of things. One of the major difficulties of applying a text like Leviticus is that although our goals are the same—holiness, offering hospitality to God, living in such a way that God would feel comfortable in our midst— our categories are not the same as those of the biblical authors. For example, unlike Leviticus, we do not see mildew as a problem for a priest to treat with a ritual.
But even if the text itself makes no distinction, no interpretive community—including orthodox Jews—treat all the commandments with the same weight. The interpretive tradition is a living and growing conversation with the text about where “the density of holiness” lies. Interestingly, Judaism and Christianity have agreed about this: the commandments that help us sift out and interpret the others are those to love God above all else (Deuteronomy 6:4ff) and to love the neighbour as oneself (Leviticus 19:18). As the scribe says to Jesus in Mark 12, these are far more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.These Leviticus passages relate primarily to idolatry, as 18:21 suggests. The Hebrew here rendered in English as ‘commit an abomination’, an offence which carries the death penalty, is a term often employed in the Old Testament of idolatrous practices. We must consider that in order for the law to be carried out there must be: a) at least two eyewitnesses to the crime; b) testimony of somebody knowing of the planned crime, who warned the defendant in advance not to commit the crime and informed him of the possible death sentence; c) a witness to confirm the warning and finally d) a non-unanimous vote by the court to execute, because a unanimous vote suggested a mob mentality and was not accepted. Most people have sex in private, so this is a condemnation of some kind of public (i.e., cult prostitute) sexual act. - Thirdly, there are the accounts in 1 Kings 14:24; 15:12, and 22:46 of male prostitution at idolatrous shrines.
- Fourthly, there are quite explicit references in Romans 1: 18 - 27 to homosexuality. (Many significant Biblical scholars see v 26-27 as a later, non-Pauline gloss.) These verses, too, are central to the conservative evangelical case. Again the context is pagan idolatry. Paul argues that male and female homosexual orgies are the consequence of idolatry, the nature of which he describes in some detail. Men and women, having known God’s clear revelation, ‘have refused to honour him as God, or to render thanks’. Therefore, Paul says. God has ‘given them up to their own vile desires, and the consequent degradation of their bodies’. To be abandoned to orgiastic homosexual passion is, Paul argues, God’s punishment for rejecting him for man-made idols. We find the same ideas in Wisdom 14 and 15 on which Romans l:18ff is virtually a commentary. In either case the chapter break - not Paul’s construct - does not help. 1.27 should be read immediately followed by 2.1: "Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgement on others you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things." Paul goes on to insist that we are not "saved" by our actions, etc.
When we read in Leviticus or Romans that a specific behaviour is proscribed, we need to decide straight away whether or not the biblical writer’s words are clear or relevant. St. Paul, as a first century Jewish male was steeped in the tradition that encompassed Leviticus and was, therefore, strongly opposed to same-sex relations even though he had reversed his position with respect to the issue of Gentile holiness. If we had Paul here, we might legitimately press him about the logic that crosses one boundary but not another. Since Paul wrote his letters expecting to have to defend his arguments, that approach is neither far-fetched nor unfaithful.Paul himself invites his readers to “discern for yourselves” (1 Corinthians 11) what is natural or unnatural, the very issue which is at stake in Romans 1. Paul also seems to have thought that long hair for men is “unnatural” while it is “natural” for women. While Paul’s letters had the status of advice from a trusted apostle, the members of his churches who received them probably felt free to argue with him about what was natural and what was unnatural. But now, as a result of the canonization of his letters, they have become Scripture for us and we honour them appropriately.
In doing so, however, we are in danger of closing the discussion. Does this mean we can no longer engage Paul as if he were a living conversation partner? I don’t think so. As Jesus himself argued against the Sadducees in Mark 12, God is the God of the living. Like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Paul is alive in the Lord and very present in the current debates of the Church. It is useful to speculate about where Paul might be on these issues today, given his unusual and brave commitments to Gentiles, women, and slaves in his own day. The logic of Paul’s letters as a whole stands in some tension with the specific words he is credited – very possibly wrongly - as writing in Romans 1. I don’t think it is fair to blame Paul for what his ghost-writers have made him say.
To use any of the above to justify homophobic polemic is outrageous.
Just as a footnote in the discussion about doctrine and orthodoxy I leave you with a quote from a 1979 Methodist report:
"For homosexual men and women, permanent relationships characterised by love can be appropriate and the Christian way of expressing their sexuality."
Are we going as far as to say that a significant Christian denomination has committed blasphemy?
Tuesday, 2 October 2007
As the dust settles in New Orleans.......

Reasons to believe in God 2

- You see that person rolling about on the floor and babbling like a lunatic?
- That is how infinite wisdom manifests itself.
- Therefore God exists.
And then on the way to lunch: "Can I offer one my Dad thought of?"
The Argument from Logic:
- God is Omnipresent
- We haven't been everywhere to prove he isn't
- Therefore God exists
And one from my own experience at St. Atrophy's.
Argument from Youth Leader:
- Look Guys, God is totally awesome and stuff and, like, he's good to hang out wiv.
- Our youth leader, like, once mended a broken microwave by laying hands on it . Totally cool!
- Therefore God exists and stuff
Enough already. I have lost sight of the Ontological Argument and will never be able to teach it again with a straight face.
Monday, 1 October 2007
Reasons to believe in God

My sister-in-law complains if I am too negative about my pupils, so here's one for you Kate.
I was with my fantastic eight today, the eight bright young seventeen year olds who are studying A Level Religious Studies under my care. We were looking at the Ontological Argument which goes something like:
- I can conceive of a perfect God
- One of the qualities of perfection is existence
- Therefore God exists
This led into a variety of alternatives which got madder and madder as the lesson progressed. Here are a selection of my favourites:
The Argument from Personal Experience:
- My Aunt had a brain tumour
- She had a lot of medical interventions
- We prayed
- She got better
- Therefore God exists
The Argument from Christian Superiority:
- I'm not wasting my time on you Athiests. God exists whether you believe it or not
- Therefore God exists
The Argument with the Doctor:
- I am not taking my medication
- I AM God
- Therefore God exists
Benny Hinn's Argument:
- Telling people about God has made me a millionaire
- Therefore God exists
The Argument from miracles:
- In a train crash 400 people were killed
- A small girl survived, but lost both her legs
- Therefore God exists (Praise the Lord)
The Evangelical's Argument (1):
- Most people do not believe in God
- This is what the Devil wants
- Therefore God exists
The Evangelical's Argument (2):
- God loves you (John 3.16)
- How could you ignore that?
- Therefore God exists
The Evangelical's Argument (3):
- God exists
- No he doesn't
- Yes he does
- No he doesn't
- Yes he does
- No he doesn't
- YES HE DOES
- Athiest goes home in a huff
- Therefore God exists
And my own personal contribution, the Argument from Piss off and Die
- God exists
- No he doesn't
- You know, that offends me but I am praying for you
- No he doesn't
- YES HE DOES. GET OVER IT
- Therefore God exists
I hope this topic comes up in the exam.
Can anyone offer any more?
